Comments on: Notes from the TED Salon: "Hot Science: Radical Ideas to Combat the Climate Crisis"

By: Dru Chichester

Dru Chichester — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

This could combat the climate changes by raising money and awareness: You got your Red Sox, your White Sox; how about the Green Sox – the first professional sports team playing for the environment. Big name players, top notch management, but one big difference – all proceeds (after expenses) go toward the protection, maintenance and repair of our precious Earth. So all you Ted Turners out there, you would-be champions of the environment, put your heads together as well as your wallets and be on the forefront of the new century. The goodwill generated and the broadening of the baseball audience will elevate the sport to a new place in popular culture. Otherwise disenchanted viewers, turned off by the outlandish amounts of money made and spent on professional sports, will have something of redeeming value to support. The GREEN REVOLUTION, once just a twinkle in some granola eaters’ eye, is weaving the new fabric of society. Earth-friendly enterprises are leading the way. I believe that whomever has the finances and the forsight to initiate such a venture will find themselves one day among the MVPs at Cooperstown. If you build it they will come!

By: Richard La Marck

Richard La Marck — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

…….No, because the deposits of organic matter are at 4,000 meters deep and the idea is to use the water which is at 1,000 meters. The system could also be used to effect the dispersal of nutrients, but this would be done with great care and monitoring. The possibility of increasing production of fish is very interesting and should not be discarded.
7. This procedure does not interfere with the system of thermohaline currents?
This would have to be monitored, but I think not, because the amount of water used would be insignificant compared to the ocean.

By: Richard La Marck

Richard La Marck — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

……..I think the idea has not yet been submitted, as if he had, certainly was being discussed. I found nothing on the Internet. The idea has been registered in office just to keep my credit as an inventor and here I am putting into the public domain. This question is of interest to all humanity and all living beings on the planet. It would be unethical to want to sell this idea.
5. As would be built this supermachine?
It could be constructed in various ways, but basically it would be an alignment of hundreds of offshore platforms (one every 500 meters), properly located and anchored with power generators and turbines pumping, the kind that are used in hydroelectric plants. They could also be used ships built for that purpose or adapted. The suction of the icy water pipes would be made by several meters in diameter and about 1,000 meters deep.
6.Do the deep could waters capture will not drag the submarine mud and cause an environmental impact?
No, because the deposits……

By: Richard La Marck

Richard La Marck — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

….We must also remember that the average temperature of the oceans has never been so low in the last 10 million years.

Anticipating criticisms and doubts

1. The heat produced by the pumping stations would not be detrimental to the environment?
No, because this heat would be dissipated in the very cold water used in the process. This heat would produce an average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and would take centuries to happen.
2. What is the source of energy used for the procedure?
We would have to use nuclear energy, although this cause embarrassment in the most radical environmentalists. It makes no sense to generate this energy with fossil fuel sources.
3. Who would pay this account?
It sure would be who has the money (United States, IMF, UN, China, Japan, etc.) and the need to resolve the problem. Insurance companies could help since they would benefit directly.
4. That your idea is unique and is patented?
I think the idea………

By: Richard La Marck

Richard La Marck — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

….would be offset quickly by the end of the hurricanes. Countries that are more affected by hurricanes are rich countries such as China, United States, Japan, Mexico, India. So the wealthy countries are also more interested in solving the problem. The atmosphere also cool the medium term. The trade winds weaken and, with the consequent decrease in desert area, we would also have an additional carbon sequestration.

Why this proposal is environmentally friendly?

The average temperature of the oceans is approximately 3.5 Celsius , while the average surface temperature is about 17 C. This means that most of the oceans is at temperatures below 3.5 C, actually a big part of it is about 2.5 C, ie to cool the surface waters (at about 2 to 3 C), we have a temperature rise from the icy waters of a few tenths of a degree. It certainly will not cause any environmental problem. We must….

By: Richard La Marck

Richard La Marck — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

….typhoons and hurricanes and indirectly are also the cause of tornadoes. This occurs when a large surface of the ocean is heated to temperatures above 27 C. What few people know is that at few hundred meters below the current warm ocean , the waters are extremely cold (about 6 C to 1,000 meters deep), therefore, to cool the surface very warm waters , we have to do is just pumping a large amount of cold water and pour it over the hot current!
Sounds easy, but as the volume of water in ocean currents is huge (the order of tens of millions of cubic meters per second), it would require hundreds or thousands of offshore pumping platforms, strategically located in order to achieve lower a few degrees Celsius, the surface temperature of the oceans, but theoretically it is possible. The technology required for such enterprise has existed for more than a century. The extremely high cost of this machine (hundreds of billions of dollars) would be….

By: Richard La Marck

Richard La Marck — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

..These solutions are also unfeasible and in the case of spraying of sulfur it would have a real environmental crime with the production of acid rain. These thermodynamics solutions are Just symptomatic because in reality they do not solve the problem at its root.
My proposal to lower the average temperature of the atmosphere is thermodynamic kind and therefore is not really a solution and would have to be complemented with long-term reforestation and reducing carbon emissions.

Cooling of tropical seas

The idea is very simple and I am amazed it was not submitted.yet.
As everyone knows, the Earth’s climate is determined, among other things, by the warm and cool ocean currents. In the case of the warm currents, they determine the formation of atmospheric convection currents, forming the so-called trade winds. These winds, in turn, are primarily responsible for the formation of deserts. In addition, the warm currents are responsible for the formation of typhoons and ….

By: Richard La Marck

Richard La Marck — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

An ecological idea to solve the global warming problem

The proposals made to solve the problem of global warming can be separated into two categories:
1. Ideas based on carbon sequestration – As examples, there are reforestation and production of algae in the oceans. These solutions, although theoretically correct, are long-term solutions and in practice seems unfeasible: reforestation because it is contrary to economic interests of the capitalist system, and in the case of algae production, we have a concern about the ecological balance.
2. Solutions of thermodynamic nature – for example, those related to the increased reflection of solar rays, with the placement of thousands of mirrors in orbit or the spraying of sulfur in the high atmosphere….

By: Robert Mike

Robert Mike — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

It seems to me the entire article is based on junk science. According to the NOAA the levels of CO2 rise have been negligible in the last 800 years. (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/s2412.htm) I can’t see changing the entire world order based on unsound principles. Basically anyone who buys into the notion that we must act immediately or else, has no means of performing the easiest of research. This is just a way for rich people to get richer by selling “carbon credits,” while holding the masses in check. Yet another flim-flam being propagated on a website dedicated to advancement of knowledge. Maybe TED should focus on sound scientific principles rather than have the go with the crowd mentality.

By: Richard La Marck

Richard La Marck — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

An new ecological idea to solve the global warming …see here…http://wwwecsm.blogspot.com/