Wielding laypeople’s terms and a sense of humor, Nobel Prize winner **Murray Gell-Mann** drops some knowledge about particle physics, asking questions like, Are elegant equations more likely to be right than inelegant ones? Can the fundamental law, the so-called “theory of everything,” really explain everything? His answers will surprise you. *(Recorded March 2007 in Monterey, California. Duration: 17:07.)*

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(referring to pictures on wall of conference room of Einstein, etc) Thank you for putting up these pictures of my colleagues over here. (laughter) We’ll be talking about them.

Now, I’m gonna try an experiment. I don’t do experiments, normally. I’m a theorist. But I’m gonna see what happens if I press this button. (presses button on remote)

(slide appears: “Elementary particles are the building blocks of all matter everywhere in the universe. Their properties are connected with the fundamental forces of nature. We are very familiar through observation with four such forces:

Gravitation

Electromagnetism

The Strong Force, which holds atomic nuclei together

The Weak Force, responsible for several forms of radioactivity”)

Sure enough. OK. I used to work in this field of elementary particles, what happens to matter if you chop it up very fine. What is it made of. And the laws of these particles are valid throughout the universe, and they’re very much connected with the history of the universe. We know a lot about four forces. There must be a lot more, but those are at very very small distances and we haven’t really interacted with them very much yet.

(slide- “What is especially striking and remarkable is that in fundamental physics a beautiful or elegant theory is more likely to be right than a theory that is inelegant”)

The main thing I want to talk about is this, that we have this remarkable experience in this field of fundamental physics, that beauty is a very successful criterion for choosing the right theory. And why on earth could that be so?

(slide-”In 1957 some of us put forward a partially complete theory of the weak force, in disagreement with the results of seven experiments. It was beautiful and so we dared to publish it, believing that all those experiments must be wrong.

In fact, they were all wrong.”)

Well, here’s an example from my own experience. It’s fairly dramatic, actually, to have this happen. Three or four of us, in 1957, put forward a partially complete theory of one of these forces, this weak force. And it was in disagreement with seven — seven — count them! Seven experiments. Experiments were all wrong. And we published before knowing that, because we figured it was so beautiful, gotta be right! And the experiments had to be wrong, and they were. Now, our friend over there (gestures to Einstein portrait), Albert Einstein, used to pay very little attention when people said, ‘you know, there’s a man with an experiment that seems to disagree with special relativity. D.C. Miller, what about that?’ He would say, aw, that’ll go away. (laughs)

Now why does stuff like that work? That’s the question.

(slide-”What do we mean by beauty and elegance?

Why is beauty or elegance a successful criterion in choosing a correct theory in fundamental physics?

What is the role here, if any, of human beings and human thinking?”)

Now, what do we mean by beautiful, that’s one thing, I’ll try to make that clear- partially clear. Why should it work, and is this something to do with human beings? I’ll let you in on the answer to the last one that I offer, and that is there’s no need to be a human being. Somewhere in some other planet, orbiting some very distant star, maybe in a different galaxy, there could well be entities that are at least as intelligent as we are, and are interested in science. It’s not impossible, I think there probably are lots. Very likely none is close enough to interact with us, but they could be out there, very easily. And suppose they have, you know, very different sensory apparatus, and so on, they have seven tentacles, and they have 14 little funny-looking compound eyes, and a brain shaped like a pretzel.

Would they really have different laws? There’re lots of people that believe that, and I think it is utter baloney. I think there are laws out there, and we of course don’t understand them at any given time very well, but we try. And we try to get closer and closer. And someday, we may actually figure out the fundamental unified theory of the particles and forces — what I call the fundamental law — we may not even be terribly far from it. But even if we don’t run across it in our lifetimes, we can still think there is one out there, and we’re just trying to get closer and closer to it.

(slide-”A theory appears to be beautiful or elegant (or simple, if you prefer) when it can be expressed concisely in terms of mathematics we already have.”)

I think that’s the main point to be made. We express these things mathematically, and when the mathematics is very simple, when in terms of some mathematical notation you can write the theory in a very brief space, without a lot of complication, that’s essentially what we mean by beauty or elegance.

(slide-”Nature obeys laws and, in Newton’s words, ‘it is the business of natural philosophy to find them out.’ (Natural philosophy was, in his day, the term for science.) The laws are not just some construct of the human mind, although human beings are engaged in an effort to find successive approximations to those laws and finally, perhaps, discover their exact form.”)

Here’s what I was saying about the laws. They’re really there. Newton certainly believed that, and he said, here, it is the business of natural philosophy to find out those laws.

(slide-” The basic law really takes the form of a unified quantum theory of all the fundamental forces and all the elementary particles.”)

The basic law, let’s say — here’s an assumption — the assumption is that the basic law really takes the form of a unified theory of all the particles. Now some people call that a theory of everything. That’s wrong, because the theory is quantum mechanical. And I won’t go into a lot of stuff about quantum mechanics and what it’s like, and so on, you’ve heard a lot of wrong things about it anyway. (laughter) There’re even movies about it with a lot of wrong stuff.

(slide-”Since it is quantum-mechanical, it predicts probabilities (some of which can be near-certainties) for future events, given past ones.

The history of the universe is thus co-determined by the basic law and an unimaginable long sequence of accidents (outcomes of chance events).”)

But the main thing here is that it predicts probabilities. Now, sometimes those probabilities are near certainties, and in a lot of familiar cases, they of course are. But other times they’re not, and you have only probabilities for different outcomes. So what that means is that the history of the universe is not determined just by the fundamental law, it’s the fundamental law and this incredibly long series of accidents, or chance outcomes that are there in addition. And the fundamental theory doesn’t include those chance outcomes, they are in addition. So it’s not a theory of everything, and in fact a huge amount of the information in the universe around us comes from those accidents, and not just from the fundamental laws.

(slide- “The Skins of an Onion”- etching of onion-

“Physicists approach that much-desired unified theory, working our way to smaller and smaller distances, or higher and higher energies or higher and higher accuracy. That situation has often been compared to peeling the skins of an onion.”)

Now it’s often said that getting closer and closer to the fundamental laws by examining phenomena at low energies, and then higher energies, and then higher energies, or short distances, and then shorter distances and then still shorter distances and so on — is like peeling the skin of an onion. And we keep doing that, and build more powerful machines, accelerators for particles. We look deeper and deeper into the structure of particles, and in that way we get probably closer and closer to this fundamental law.

(slide-”As we go to higher and higher energies (smaller and smaller distances), the next onion skin (manifestation of the basic law) resembles the previous one to some extent.”

appearing later- “The result is that newly encountered phenomena are described rather simply, and therefore elegantly, in terms of mathematics close to what was already developed for phenomena discovered earlier.”)

Now what happens is that as we do that — as we peel these skins of the onion, and we get closer and closer to the underlying law, we see that each skin has something in common with the previous one, and with the next one. We write them out mathematically, and we see they use very similar mathematics. They require very similar mathematics. That is absolutely remarkable, and that is a central feature of what I’m trying to say today. Newton called it — (gesturing to portrait of Newton) that’s Newton, by the way- (slide of Newton) — that one. (slide of Einstein) This one is Albert Einstein. Hi, Al! And anyway, he said ‘nature conformable to herself,’ personifying nature as a female. And so what happens is that the new phenomena, the new skins, the inner skins of the — slightly smaller skins of the onion that we get to — resemble the slightly larger ones. And the kind of mathematics that we had –

(slide- previous one with new line of text added- “That is a property of the basic law, not of human observers. The manifestations of the law at different scales exhibit approximate self-similarity. Newton called it ‘Nature conformable to Herself.’”)

For the previous skin, is almost the same as what we need for the next skin. And that’s why the equations look so simple. ‘Cause they use mathematics we already have.

A trivial example is this:

(slide-”Example: Newton’s famous approximate formula for the gravitational force between two bodies. The force is proportional to the inverse square of the distance between those bodies.

Coulomb later discovered the formula for the electric force between two charges. Again, the inverse square law.”)

Newton found the law of gravity, which goes like 1 over the square of the distance between the things gravitated. Coulomb, in France, found the same law for electric charges. Here’s an example of this similarity. You look at gravity, you see a certain law, then you look at electricity- sure enough, the same rule. It’s a very simple example. There are lots of more sophisticated examples.

Symmetry is very important in this discussion. You know what it means. A circle, for example, is symmetric under rotations around the center of the circle. You rotate around the center of the circle, the circle remains unchanged.

(slide-”We must now refer to the idea of symmetry. A circle, for example, is symmetrical under all rotations about the center of the circle. In three dimensions, a sphere is likewise symmetrical under all rotations about its center. An object or a phenomenon exhibits a kind of symmetry if performing certain operations consistently on all parts leaves its description unchanged. We say the object or phenomenon is symmetrical under those operations.”)

You take a sphere, in 3 dimensions, you rotate around the center of the sphere, and all those rotations leave the sphere alone. They are symmetries of the sphere. So we say, in general, that there’s a symmetry under certain operations if those operations leave the phenomenon, or its description, unchanged. Maxwell’s equations are of course symmetrical under rotations of all of space. Doesn’t matter if we turn the whole of space around by some angle, it doesn’t leave the — doesn’t change the phenomenon of electricity or magnetism.

(slide-”Improved Notation

The development of a new mathematical notation, vector analysis, by J. Willard Gibbs at Yale and Oliver Heaviside in England made the expression of Maxwell’s relations even more compact and therefore more beautiful or elegant.

Then, with Einstein’s special theory of relativity, a still more concise formulation became possible, one that fully exhibited the symmetries of the system. Maxwell’s equations were thus reduced to just two in number. One of them describes how electric and magnetic fields are generated by electric charges and their currents. The other describes the absence of magnetic fields that don’t come from electric currents.”)

There’s a new notation in the 19th century that expressed this, and if you use that notation, the equations get a lot simpler. Then Einstein, with his special theory of relativity, looked at a whole set of symmetries of Maxwell’s equations, which are called special relativity. And those symmetries, then, make the equations even shorter, and even prettier, therefore.

Let’s look. You don’t have to know what these things mean, doesn’t make any difference. But you can just look at the form (laughter). You can look at the form.

(slide-shows original equations, then equations re-written as vector analysis, then using the symmetry of special relativity)

You see above, at the top, a long list of equations with three components for the three directions of space x, y, and z. Then, using vector analysis, you use rotational symmetry, and you get this next set. Then you use the symmetry of special relativity and you get an even simpler set, down here, showing that symmetry exhibits better and better- the more and more symmetry you have, the better you exhibit the simplicity and elegance of the theory. The last two, the first equation says that electric charges and currents give rise to all the electric and magnetic fields. The next — second equation — says that there is no magnetism other than that. The only magnetism comes from electric charges and currents. Someday we may find some slight hole in that argument. But for the moment, that’s the case.

Now, here is a very exciting development that many people have not heard of. They should have heard of it, but it’s a little tricky to explain in technical detail, so I won’t do it. I’ll just mention it.

(slide- “Yang-Mills Theory

Fifty years ago a new set of equations was presented by C.N. (Frank) Yang and Robert Mills. They were generalizations of Maxwell’s equations incorporating a higher symmetry.”)

But Chen Ning Yang, called by us Frank Yang, (laughter) and Bob Mills put forward, 50 years ago, this generalization of Maxwell’s equations, with a new symmetry. A whole new symmetry. Mathematics very similar, but there was a whole new symmetry. They hoped that this would contribute somehow to particle physics- didn’t. It didn’t, by itself, contribute to particle physics. But then some of us generalized it further:

(“Further Generalizations Successful

Then, over the next few years, some of us elementary particle theorists showed how to generalize the Yang-Mills idea further to include still higher symmetries and also broken symmetries. We also pointed out, over time, how particular generalizations of the Yang-Mills equations could describe the forces — the so-called strong and weak forces — that were known to exist in addition to electromagnetism and gravitation.”)

And then it did! And it gave a very beautiful description of the strong force, and of the weak force. So here we say, again, what we said before — that each skin of the onion shows a similarity to the adjoining skins — so the mathematics for the adjoining skins is very similar to what we need for the new one. And therefore it looks beautiful. ‘Cause we already know how to write it in a lovely, concise way.

(“THEMES

EXISTENCE OF A BASIC UNIFIED THEORY

STEPS TOWARD UNIFICATION SYMMETRY

SELF-SIMILARITY ACROSS SCALES”)

So here are the themes. We believe there is a unified theory underlying all the regularities. Steps toward unification exhibit the simplicity — symmetry exhibits the simplicity — and then there is self similarity across the scales, in other words, from one skin of the onion to another one. Proximate self similarity. And that accounts for this phenomenon. That will account for why beauty is a successful criterion for selecting the right theory.

Here’s what Newton himself said:

(“From Newton’s Optics:

‘For Nature is very consonant and conformable to her self’”)

Nature is very consonant and conformable to her self. What I think he was thinking of is something that most of us take for granted today, but in his day it wasn’t taken for granted. There’s the story, which is not absolutely certain to be right, but a lot of people told it. Four sources told it. That, when they had the plague in Cambridge, and he went down to his mother’s farm, because the university was closed, he saw an apple fall from a tree, or on his head, or something, and he realized suddenly that the force that drew the apple down to the earth could be the same as the force regulating the motions of the planets and the moon. That was a big unification for those days, although today we take it for granted. It’s the same theory of gravity. So he said that:

(“From Newton:

‘This principle of nature being very remote from the conceptions of Philosophers, I forbore to describe it in that book, least I should be accounted an extravagant freak and so prejudice my Readers against all those things which were the main designe (sic) of the book.’”)

This principle of nature — consonance — “this principle of nature being very remote from the conceptions of philosophers, I forbore to describe it in that book, lest I should be accounted an extravagant freak.” That’s what we all have to watch out for. (laughter) Especially at this meeting. ‘And so prejudice my readers against all those things which were the main design of the book.’

Now, who today would claim that as a mere conceit of the human mind? That the force that causes the apple to fall to the ground is the same force that causes the planets and the moon to move around, and so on? Everybody knows that. It’s the property of gravitation. It’s not something in the human mind. The human mind can, of course, appreciate it, and enjoy it, use it — but it’s not — it doesn’t stem from the human mind. It stems from the character of gravity. And that’s true of all the things we’re talking about. They are properties of the fundamental law. The fundamental law is such that the different skins of the onion resemble one another, and therefore the math for one skin allows you to express beautifully and simply the phenomenon of the next skin.

(slide- picture of basket of apples- “Newton and Gravity

Newton’s summer of 1665 was really part of an annus mirabilis, a marvelous year, as it is often called. At the University of Cambridge he worked on his theory of gravitation, his laws of motion, calculus, and created a demonstration with a prism that white light is composed of the colors of the spectrum.”)

I say here that Newton did a lot of things that year — gravity, the laws of motion, the calculus, white light composed of all the colors of the rainbow — and he could have written quite an essay on ‘what I did over my summer vacation.’ (laughter)

(“Three principles- the conformability of nature to herself, the applicability of the criterion of simplicity, and the ‘unreasonable effectiveness’ of certain parts of mathematics in describing physical reality- are thus consequences of the underlying law of the elementary particles and their interactions. Those three principles need not be assumed as separate metaphysical postulates. Instead, they are emergent properties of the fundamental laws of physics.”)

So we don’t have to assume these principles as separate metaphysical postulates. They follow from the fundamental theory. They are what we call emergent properties. You don’t need something more to get something more. That’s what emergence means. Life can emerge from physics and chemistry, plus a lot of accidents. The human mind can arise from neurobiology, and a lot of accidents. The way the chemical bond arises from physics and certain accidents. Doesn’t diminish the importance of these subjects, to know that they follow from more fundamental things, plus accidents. That’s a general rule, and it’s critically important to realize that. You don’t need something more in order to get something more. People keep asking that when they read my book, The Quark and the Jaguar, and they say ‘isn’t there something more beyond what you have there?’ Presumably they mean something supernatural. Anyway, there isn’t. (laughs) You don’t need something more to explain something more. Thank you very much.

## MARCO Cardoso commented on Jul 4 2010

Briliant

## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

Dr. Murry,

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Thus the Mime we interprets history TIME and space as the organics between Body by sound waves and visions,

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

Dr. Murry,

The everything, theories, Mind, Mine, correlating, between Body, consistances, Tryalateraal communities, forcing the Streched Bodily Languages, by particulates, organizing the nuetrality, formming a nuero bodily displacing the biological connections, between mind and surplussed metabolic exchanges, between the PI assertained as Body, of particulations, 1 as the youth Biological foundations, trangressed ergy by sonic mind waves adolescenses, numerical 0 bodies rely upon the Mind of bodies organs to be self evolved so the conjectives will under estimate the logistics of MIME of the boldilies solidity of the Mind and mime.

Thus the Mime we interprets history TIME and space as the organics between Body by sound waves and visions,

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

http://ddoingit1.posterous.com

Trylatterals communities equally displace between all try-latteral moleculaes into checks and balnce exchanges, 1or 0, to fillages PI*

## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

Dr. Murry,

The everything, theories, Mind, Mine, correlating, between Body, consistances, Tryalateraal communities, forcing the Streched Bodily Languages, by particulates, organizing the nuetrality, formming a nuero bodily displacing the biological connections, between mind and surplussed metabolic exchanges, between the PI assertained as Body, of particulations, 1 as the youth Biological foundations, trangressed ergy by sonic mind waves adolescenses, numerical 0 bodies rely upon the Mind of bodies organs to be self evolved so the conjectives will under estimate the logistics of MIME of the boldilies solidity of the Mind and mime.

Thus the Mime we interprets history TIME and space as the organics between Body by sound waves and visions,

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

http://ddoingit1.posterous.com

Trylatterals communities equally displace between all try-latteral moleculaes into checks and balnce exchanges, 1or 0, to fillages PI*

## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

http://ddoingit1.posterous.com

## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

This is named a try-latteral community to suggest By-nary evovlment.

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

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## Darrell Morehouse commented on May 1 2010

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## Harley Borgais commented on Mar 26 2010

According to my theory, the answer to that question: “Isn’t there something more”, is YES, that ‘something more’ is the source of all these things (the laws of physics and everything in Murray’s book). That something is God, but it is more than that, it is the beginning of everything.

In: “The Genesis of Relativity, a Unifying Fractal Model of Physics” (G.R.U.F. Model for short -@ http://www.freeornottobe.org), I provide a simple theory which explains how everything works and came to exist, including God, thought, matter, time, energy, Life, etc.

According to The Genesis of Relativity, The Beginning of everything was a chain-reaction of equal-and-opposite forces at a right-angle, which created spin, which reacted with the first two forces, which then continued to grow according to a pattern known as “The Flower of Life”, which formed all that exists.

See more at: http://www.freeornottobe.org (Click “Genesis of Relativity) or email: harleyborgais@gmail.com

## José Tavares commented on Dec 6 2007

Actually, you need something more to have something more: Knowledge.

It might not violate the second law of thermodynamics but it sure violates any fundamental law.

It was a pleasure to grasp the child within.